On 6 October 2021, Madeleine was the guest host at the NüVoices podcast in a free-ranging discussion with Joanna Chiu, NüVoices co-founder and chair, about her new book, China Unbound. The book details China’s rapid international rise, and the ways Western nations have contributed to a state of global disorder, drawing on Chiu’s experience reporting across four continents. Madeleine and Joanna discuss how Western governments have failed to adjust to the reality that China doesn’t simply want to join the existing global order but instead re-shape it to suit themselves. The two also share advice on book-writing, and the unique characteristics of China-related storytelling from diaspora perspectives. Follow the link to the podcast here.